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capri888 Posted 9 months ago
Menopause Advice

Hi All, I am Peri-Menopause ( I think) and have been so for a number of years. I did some research around HRT and in particular Bio-Identical Hormones. I eventually went to the Doctor this week and she was so rushed she just ran through things really quickly. We decided to try them out for a month, along with a patch. I cannot remember which was which hormone but one of them is bio-identical. ANy hormone taken has a risk of side effects and at worst cancer, blood clots, although only if taken for many years. I do not plan to take them for very long. I just wondered if anyone else is on this and how they find it as well as any supplements for pains in joints/arthritis or supplements for skin, bones and other age-related issues for women????? SOrry to get Personal

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    • Anonymous User (no longer active) 9th May 2021 at 10:05 am

      Morning, I decided not to take HRT in any form because of the risks and instead take specific multi vitamins for joints plus zinc and extra Vit D in the winter. I take them every other day rather than every day and find they really help. If I miss them for a few days I start to feel the aches and pains again.

      I’m 53 and am out the other side now but one thing that really surprised me was how I still feel pre-menstrual when I would have been due a period. I eat like a horse, get tearful and anxious but give it a couple of days and I’m fine again.

      It’s not a nice thing to go through but my advice would be to try things and give them a good chance. Be aware of your monthly cycle so you have some kind of closure on your feelings and make sure you exercise. I find yoga and Pilates helps. Good luck 😉

      • Lizzib 9th May 2021 at 10:47 am

        Hi, I too have chosen to take the non-HRT route and am doing it with Menopace supplements as the base plus a couple of additional supplements. My local health food store, run by ladies of a certain age, have been particularly helpful.

        One thing that has been a lifesaver from anxiety like feelings is Rhodiola Rosea. It says 1-2 tablets daily. I took a couple a day initially, as the girls recommended, and my anxiety stopped really quickly. Now I usually take one a day and it keeps me on an even keel, even if I miss the odd day.

        • Daisyroots 12th May 2021 at 4:40 pm

          I agree about the rhodiola.
          I too took 2 a day and it helped enormously – much better than starflower or evening primrose.

        • Lizzib 12th May 2021 at 11:23 pm

          I’m glad I’m not the only one! The number of people I’ve mentioned it to that haven’t heard of it. I ran out whilst on holiday in Dorset and the local health food store had never heard of it. She suggested 5HTP instead and it did nothing for me.

        • Daisyroots 13th May 2021 at 10:07 am

          I found out about it in desperation! I went into Holland and Barrett and this sweet young man came over to ask if he could help, I promptly burst into tears (poor man) and he suggested rhodiola. I would never have tried it as it was stuck on the bottom shelf hidden away.
          Marvelous little plant!

        • NicDawn 23rd May 2021 at 6:13 pm

          You could also try ashwagandha really good for mild anxiety and just a really good balance for mind body and soul

      • Lizzib 9th May 2021 at 11:03 am

        Hi Jen, have you found any good support groups online for the non-HRT route?

        I joined a group on FB, UK based. It seems like if you ask anything about non-HRT you are pounced on with:

        See a doctor that knows what they are talking about; insist they put you on HRT; or justify why you’ve made the decision to go that you, you must be mad.

        I’m doing alright on non-HRT and the group I joined is full of horror stories about how long it takes them to get doses sorted out, with symptoms getting worse before they get better… So am happy to continue with the route I’m taking, it’s just difficult to collate all the info.

        • Anonymous User (no longer active) 9th May 2021 at 10:26 pm

          Hi Lizzi

          I haven’t come across any non HRT groups. It sounds as though you’re also managing well without. I’ve been lucky and have never suffered too many hot sweats but the joint aches and weight management are my biggest issues but the vitamins are helping. Wishing you all the best as we go through this bloody (or not) awful thing together 😊

        • Lizzib 10th May 2021 at 1:23 pm

          Like you, I’m fortunate not to have horrendous symptoms.

          The aches and pains make me look like a ninety year old when I get up but once I’m up and about I’m fine.

          The weight, I’m try the NHS twelve week plan. Two weeks in I’ve lost four pounds.

          The scariest one for me was the anxiety and lack of patience but the Rhodiola has helped get that back to something like normal.

          Let’s hang on in there and see this through.

        • capri888 15th May 2021 at 11:34 am

          Twelve week plan sounds good

      • Gardener52 11th May 2021 at 7:51 am

        I really relate to this Jen
        And I’m going to try Pilates when I can attend a class and look at those supplements I’m 52 and also not now having periods I have flushes ,low mood ,loss of confidence and that’s really apparent but I’m aware I’m challenging it 🌷

      • CazH 12th May 2021 at 3:13 pm

        I too am ‘out the other side’, bar the occasional hot flush! I also get pre menstrual symptoms every 4-5 weeks. I thought I was just imagining it so reassuring to know others feel like this too.

      • capri888 15th May 2021 at 11:32 am

        Hi Jen, did you try high dose of evening primrose? Maybe we should start a thread about supplements too !!!!

    • Smartie 9th May 2021 at 3:15 pm

      I’ve been on HRT for about 18 months after several years of various herbal supplements working then stopping working and finally I couldn’t find one that did.

      I had the most intense hot, hot flushes and dreadful tiredness. At first I didn’t want to take HRT, so talked to the doctor. As she’s the same age as me she knew all about the symptoms, lol. To start, I went on an anti-depressent – SSRI as a side effect is to get rid of hot flushes. As I’d previously taken this before I knew I didn’t have a problem with it. Hot flushes were very much reduced but the awful tiredness remained, so I gave in and started on the HRT patches. Hot flushes were all but gone in a couple of weeks. Tiredness improved.

      I’d rather be still managing it with supplements. The only problem I have with the patches is that it leaves sticky squares, hehehe.

    • Lorraine1 9th May 2021 at 4:53 pm

      For me, the very small risk of side effects from HRT were outweighed by the benefits of HRT. I was suffering very badly with anxiety and those tiny patches really “took the edge off” and stopped me feeling like I was going mad. A good GP will have all the facts and figures – ignore the quackery on the internet. Above all, remember that we are all different and consider everything until you hit on what works for you.

      • Lizzib 10th May 2021 at 1:28 pm

        Absolutely! We are all different and have to find a route through this that works for us.

        The anxiety was my worst symptom by far, accompanied by a lack of patience and irritability. Through my local health food store, run by women of a certain age, I discovered Rhodiola Rosea. That keeps my mental status stable. It’s been a godsend.

    • Kerrie 10th May 2021 at 7:16 pm

      I’ve not used it myself but comes highly recommended
      It’s a free app to download called Balance – menopause support. Lots of advice, support and a community who share stories.

    • Kaycee17 10th May 2021 at 7:29 pm

      Having suffered horrendous irritability, insomnia, hot flushes and night sweats I felt that I didn’t recognise the person I had become. I was wary of HRT but didn’t want to live with the person I was so spoke to my GP about the pros and cons. Got a completely unsatisfactory fob off so asked to be referred to a gynaecologist (luckily I had private health at the time). After a proper in-depth consultation with a lovely man who knew what he was talking about I decided to go down the HRT route. I haven’t looked back since and feel the best I’ve felt for years.

      Why am I writing this? Because I don’t want anyone else to have to feel as bad as I did. HRT is not for all, but don’t let a GP decide that for you. It’s your choice and your life.

    • Kitty1969 11th May 2021 at 8:21 am

      I’ve been on it since last September, it transformed my life if only my GP would prescribe. Check out Dr. Louise Newson, the menopause doctor, she has an app called the Balance app too. Lots of very good info on her website.

      The gels and patches have no risk of a blood clot and no more risk of breast cancer than if you drink 2 glasses of wine a night. There are many female doctors trying to get the misconceptions changed. There is also going to be a program on C4 tomorrow night.

      It does sound like you need to go back to your GP and ask her to explain how to use it properly. What exactly did she give you? if you don’t want to reply here, feel free to PM me.

      I also take a probiotic, collagen supplement, and Vit D. For me I see nothing wrong in replacing my lost hormones with HRT.

    • Anonymous User (no longer active) 13th May 2021 at 10:51 am

      After watching Davina McCall: Sex, Myths and the Menopause last night I am seriously considering patches now. My only concern is bleeding again. I experienced horrendous heavy, painful periods and actually the only good thing to come out of the menopause is not bleeding. Does anyone know if this happens when you start HRT post meno?

      • capri888 15th May 2021 at 11:30 am

        Absolutely , that was great timing. I think I will try HRT and see what happens but also supplements too. IN fact I am shopping and researching now!

    • Lorraine1 14th May 2021 at 5:53 am

      It didn’t happen to me. I have used the patches for nearly 3 years, and started about 2 years after my last period.. Apart from occasional breast tenderness, I have no side effects.

    • capri888 15th May 2021 at 11:39 am

      Thanks Ladies, all we can do is try things and stick to our own results I guess. I for one would like to know ALL the things menopause could be affecting as I hadn’t heard that it affected mental health before now. My friend has just messaged to say she randomly gets hive like itching out of the blue. ANyone had that for example. I am suffering with sinus problems but doc says unrelated to menopause , I also sneeze a lot so maybe have developed an allergy , its mind boggling how many things spring up that never before occurred . Still, I am lucky to have my health

      • Anonymous User (no longer active) 15th May 2021 at 3:36 pm

        It’s so good to talk about this. Thanks to you all from me too.

        Capri888 I also suffer from sinus problems on the left side only. It seems worse in the spring/summer so maybe hay fever related, which I’ve never suffered from before. I’ve been to the dentist thinking it was a dodgy tooth but he advised sinus. GP told me to take over the counter sinus rinses and tablets. I sometimes get itching too but I think it coincides with my long lost menstrual cycle.

        Take care ladies x

        • capri888 15th May 2021 at 4:08 pm

          I do not feel the need to take meds for sinuses. Last year certain yoga poses helped believe it or not! they don’t work anymore. sadly! Thanks and take care

        • capri888 21st June 2021 at 11:06 am

          My sinuses and sneezig so much worse this year so I also think I get hay fever, but it does not affect my eyes at all ?

      • Kitty1969 15th May 2021 at 7:12 pm

        yes, I get the itching, sometimes just normal, other times hives. I also have sinus issues and at first, they were improved by taking HRT, I have friends with the same issues. My hayfever has gone through the roof this year. It is really worth checking out the menopause doctors website if you haven’t already, its a real eye opener

      • min 20th November 2021 at 7:33 pm

        Hmm… capri, since lack of oestrogen affects the mucous membranes, I don’t see why your sinus problems might not be related to menopause.
        I have taken it for granted that my dry nose is due to menopause.

    • Diamonique 23rd May 2021 at 12:26 pm

      I went through the menopause without HRT & non of the regular things did not help & it was a long ride. Now at 67 & after having some recurring probs with health due to low Estrogen I now have a twice weekly estrogen suppository to support thinning & pale internal lining. That sorted out the recurring cystitis but still continually tired etc, lack of sleep & aches. Came across a book & from their suggestion tried out 50mg DHEA which it says balances hormones. Finally the aches are easing, sleep getting better but still working on it. My brain has woken up at last. Get mine from Biovea without any customs charges & bought enough for 360 days.

    • JulieVB 23rd May 2021 at 4:14 pm

      I’m lucky that I work for a Nutraceutical company who specialise in natural supplements. For the last few years I’ve been taking Peruvian Macca just one of our many supplements we do.
      These have really helped my symptoms of restless nights, mood changes, night sweats, hot flushes, irritable skin and aches and pains. I’ve recommended it to a lot of my friends who are going through the same challenges that I am.
      There is a lot about macca on the internet and it’s finding a good quality product. I’d be happy to send you some information about it if that would help.x

    • NicDawn 23rd May 2021 at 6:10 pm

      Have a look on Holland and Barrett website. They sell lots of natural products to help with menopause.

    • Team Rest Less 30th June 2021 at 3:18 pm

      Thank you so much for your post, capri888, and everybody!

      A couple of articles that you may find interesting https://restless.co.uk/health/healthy-body/managing-your-menopause-journey/ and https://restless.co.uk/health/healthy-body/7-ways-to-improve-your-sex-life-during-and-after-menopause/

      We are also having a Zoom webinar on the topic very soon, details to be confirmed via our usual channels as soon as possible over the next few days.

      Hope that helps

    • Miss Piggy 1st July 2021 at 8:37 am

      Hi. I chose not to take HRT. The sleepless nights bother me, but I have always exercised throughout my life so that helps counteract any harm. I also use magnet therapy which is fab with keeping the flushes less fierce and less often. I take a number is supplements: Co enzyme Q10, Alpha lipid acid, Magnesium and zinc. Flaxseed, oil of evening primrose, Turmeric with bio perine and plant sterols. Just had a fab MOT by Dr who said I am remarkably healthy for my 55 yrs!!

    • loislane 2nd July 2021 at 1:18 pm

      Restless are doing a webinar on menopause and are asking what topics to be cover

    • SuvegLo 21st October 2021 at 8:36 am

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    • esther.bray23 2nd November 2021 at 12:23 pm

      Iam 63 and post menopause. And I have to manage having a prolapse so take Estridol by internal insertion. Its other name is Vagifem its only a small amount of oestrogen but because it is taken orally it has a low absorption and is just a local treatment. I do have Osteoarthritis and I have been referred by a physiotherapist for hydrotherapy. Which I do look forward to as I like exercising in water and often do swimming which I shouldn’t really do but find it hard to stop as the water is deeper than the shallow end of a swimming pool and it comes up to my neck so it is easier for me when I get into the water as I am petite in height. I do other exercises with the polystyrene tube. I take vitamin d3 prescribed by the doctor and do this once a month.

    • Emmela 2nd November 2021 at 12:58 pm

      Hey! I advise all women not to be afraid of menopause. They must accept this normal change in their body and all the emotions that come with it. I went through perimenopause for a more extended period and faced anxiety, depression, pain, and periodic weakness. The whole package, as you can see. Yet I was able to overcome this difficult period through engaging in various hobbies (takes your mind off things) and treatment with thorne healthy-aging advanced nutrients (https://www.thorne.com) and k-3 supplements that balanced my body’s hormones. I literally felt my physical and emotional state improve.

    • LynetteS 7th November 2021 at 8:39 pm

      ‘Perimenopause and Menopause can be tricky to manage. Keep a food diary and to check if any foods aggravates or intensify symptoms. I found eating more non meat meals helpful. Eat foods rich in Vitamin D2.

    • Dorothea 14th November 2021 at 9:02 am

      Whether you take HRT or not, or take supplements or not, bear in mind that
      1) Everyone is different.
      2) Get professional medical advice if you can, preferably from a doctor who accepts that the menopause can cause significant issues for some people.(“the menopause isn’t a reason to be off work” – my GP, or, recent published articles reflecting the fact that “the menopause drives many women out of work” ).
      3) If your GP isn’t helpful or what is recommended doesn’t work, go back or ask for a referral to a gynae consultant.
      4) Don’t think that treatment of your symptoms begins and ends with your GP. Begins – yes, it’s a place to start. Ends – no chance. I know not everyone is comfortable challenging medical opinion, but we’re long past the days of “because the doctor says so”. If it’s not working, take a friend with you (if you can get a face to face appointment..) or have someone with you for a telephone appointment.
      4)Do your research. Note peoples suggestions of supplements, but investigate side effects – Google reputable sites like NHS /British Menopause Society / articles on Restless – their recent menopause talk was very good . Ask a pharmacist. Not everyone can take supplements e.g. those of us with a liver condition. Supplements can work wonders (best friend swears by Menopace), but they can also have side effects or interact with prescription medication (St John’s Wort).
      5) HRT – can work wonders – but it’s like taking anything else. There are different types and doses. If you have a headache, but Paracetamol doesn’t agree with you, would you put up with the pain, or try aspirin? In that sense, HRT is just another medication with different types and brands and doses.
      6) HRT can have significant effects – often for the better, though not without risks. Patches can alleviate some of the risks as a less direct method of getting your dose than taking tablets.
      I could go on for hours, but the short version is probably this:
      A) It’s your menopause – no one else’s.
      B) There are options.
      C) Investigate and research
      D) If it doesnt work, don’t give up.
      E) If you’re not as stubborn as me, find a friend who is.