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Is it time to legalise cannabis?

We are the cannabis generation. Isn’t time we looked at legalising cannabis?

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    • PhilB 14th July 2021 at 9:47 pm

      Yup. Or at least be consistent with drugs and if you’re not going to legalise it, make alcohol illegal as well.

    • paxton1974 15th July 2021 at 9:23 am

      Legalise it & everything else so we can tax it surprised they havent done it already they want to tax everything else so why not at least it will pay a bit towards all the things they waste money on.

    • Shirlann 15th July 2021 at 9:32 am

      By the smell round us thought it was already 🤔😁although I’ve had two adult kids have mental issues due to it and another one who’s lost jobs due to it!!! Not as harmless as some people might think 🤔

    • Fluffy 15th July 2021 at 9:45 am

      only for medical reasons , not recreational use.
      cannabis is stronger now than it used to be

      • PhilB 15th July 2021 at 11:19 am

        No, it’s really not. I’ve had cannabis back in the 80s that could blow your head off. You’re talking as though cannabis is one thing – it’s not. You can, as you say get very strong, but equally you can get very mild – you’ve only got to look at the menus in the old coffee houses in Amsterdam to see that. However, if you were going to make the point that you might want to buy mild but end up with strong I’d agree with you. The solution is obviously to legalise it. That way people could buy at the strength they want, the same with nicotine now. The ease of access would reduce the illicit sale of skank. Win win.

    • Trampus 15th July 2021 at 12:56 pm

      Absolutely not. Legalising it just makes it easier for people to get, including those that can’t afford it. It’s easy to become addicted and can cause serious issues. “Cannabis: the facts – NHS” https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-body/cannabis-the-facts/

      • PhilB 15th July 2021 at 1:40 pm

        But alcohol is ok?

        • Trampus 15th July 2021 at 2:26 pm

          The question is, Is it time to legalise Cannibis, it doesn’t mention alcohol, entirely different subject. However, alcohol is seldom addictive and in moderation is not a problem. There is no such thing as moderate use of drugs.

        • PhilB 15th July 2021 at 2:58 pm

          The question is whatever we choose it to be, and comparing alcohol addiction to drug addiction seems perfectly reasonable to me. Your comment “alcohol is seldom addictive” simply isn’t factually correct. 33% of Americans will develop an alcohol abuse disorder in their lifetime, making it the most commonly abused substance in the country. In the UK, in 2016 there were 9,214 alcohol-related deaths (around 15 per 100,000 people). The mortality rates are highest among people aged 55-69. Alcohol misuse is the biggest risk factor for death, ill-health and disability among 15-49 year-olds in the UK, and the fifth biggest risk factor across all ages.

          Of course it’s not a problem “in moderation” – that’s blatantly obvious. However, for many people who become addicted to it, as the figures show, it’s a big problem. In England there are an estimated 586,780 dependent drinkers. Only 18% are receiving treatment.

          I’d also like to look at your contention that there is no such thing as a moderate use of drugs. I’m sorry, but unless you specify what sort of drugs you are talking about this makes no sense. Alcohol is a drug, so you’re already contradicting yourself. If we focus on cannabis According to the American National Institute on Dug Abuse, approximately 30 percent of marijuana users may have some sort of marijuana use disorder. It’s estimated that between 10 and 30 percent of individuals who smoke weed will develop dependency, with only 9 percent actually developing addiction. So in actual fact plenty of people can smoke it in moderation, in the same way the people can drink in moderation.

          Let’s take another comparison, traffic fatalities. An NIDA study found that only alcohol increased the number of the times the driver left the lane when weaving and the speed of weaving. One explanation is that, unlike drivers under the influence of alcohol, drivers who have used marijuana tend to overestimate their impairment and may try to compensate by driving more slowly and increasing following distance.

          In the USA In 2016, about 5,300 drug-influenced drivers died in car accidents, and note this is all drugs, not just cannabis. In 2016, 10,497 people died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for 28% of all traffic-related deaths in the United States. So alcohol is involved in virtually twice as many deaths. Seems pretty obvious to me that whatever metric you want to use to ban cannabis, you’re going to also have to ban alcohol. Unless it’s a fact and statistics free opinion, of course.

        • Trampus 15th July 2021 at 3:09 pm

          So, here is the original question “We are the cannabis generation. Isn’t time we looked at legalising cannabis? The question is not what “we” choose it tobe. You have chosen to bring another question into the mix, similarly so you keep quotng USA statistics when we are in the UK. Seems like your either in favour of drugs but want to ban alcohol or you want to ban everything. Hmmm, not a discussion I want to cintinue. You’re entitled to your opinion as are we all, unfortunately it doesn’t match with mine so we are at an empasse. Have a good day.

        • PhilB 15th July 2021 at 3:14 pm

          Yes, it’s just SO awkward when facts contradict opinions isn’t it. We can all have opinions of course, it’s just that some of us have informed opinions backed up by facts and statistics and… some of us don’t. Have a nice day.

        • Trampus 15th July 2021 at 3:28 pm

          Actually, you’re rather insulting, did you know that. I have statistics, probably same place you get them from, off the web. My facts can contradict your opinions, same as yours can do to mine. It’s all about determining whose facts are correct and as we are definitely unlikely to agree on that, at least you wouldn’t agree given your attitiude to people trying to have a decent conversation. So, like I said, have a nice day and see if some-one else will listen to your “facts”.

        • PhilB 15th July 2021 at 4:45 pm

          If you think I’m insulting – well, that’s your perception, nothing I can do about that – I could return the compliment, but that just gets us into tedious schoolyard tit for tat, so I will limit myself to the substantive points you’re making. You may well have statistics, but since you haven’t shared them that doesn’t give me anything to work with, or to back up your opinions. And yes, we all get our information off “the web” – what of it? It’s which sites we use that’s important, and I draw my data from government and specialist sites. I base my opinion on the facts I find.

          It’s a *fact* that alcohol is a drug and it’s very addictive, as the statistics I’ve given show. It’s a *fact* that alcohol is a drug, and it’s not my fault that you totally contradict yourself when you say you can take it in moderation and in the very next sentence say there is no such thing as moderate use of drugs.

          I’m more than happy to have a “decent” conversation. You are welcome to hold any opinion you choose. But don’t get annoyed when I question that opinion and ask for something to back it up. If I make a statement I’m always prepared to back it up, chapter and verse. If you don’t want to do that, absolutely fine, and your opinion is just that, nothing more, and I’ll happily ignore it.

          I’m not particularly bothered if people listen to my facts (no double quotes notice, that’s because they are facts, not opinions), and if you choose not to engage, that’s not my issue at all.

        • Vixster 15th July 2021 at 3:30 pm

          I totally disagree. I moderately used drugs for 30 + years along with many others and no issues. However I know a few people with alcohol problems who seemingly aren’t addicted.

    • Sassysarah.007 15th July 2021 at 2:28 pm

      Not sure? There are pros & cons.

    • Vixster 15th July 2021 at 3:34 pm

      Yes totally agree. I would love to have access to cannabis products as you do in Canada, Amsterdam etc where you don’t have to smoke it. For me that was the hardest thing to give up – smoking fags as that meant giving up joints too.

    • Deleted User 15th July 2021 at 4:08 pm

      No! Far too many Drug drivers on the roads! There are more than Drink drivers.

      • PhilB 15th July 2021 at 4:48 pm

        I’d refer you to my previous comment up the page to Trampus. Many more people die in car accidents which are alcohol related than drug related. If you have facts and statistics which contradict that I’d love to have them, so I can change or moderate my opinion.

        • Anonymous User (no longer active) 15th July 2021 at 9:27 pm

          I am with you PhilB. I would have made the case based on alcohol as well and you were not insulting by the way, you provided some great facts. From my own perspective I am happy for it to be legalised. I was in Vancouver Island before covid hit and legalisation seem to be working well for them.

        • PhilB 15th July 2021 at 11:15 pm

          Thanks; kind of you to say so. Some people get upset and defensive when their opinions are questioned. I feel happy with facts and figures – if they change my opinion sometimes changes as well. I find it fascinating to see how people have one view on cannabis and an entirely polar opposite about alcohol when they’re actually very similar in nature. Probably because they don’t take one and do take the other.

          I thought it was a great question with some interesting responses. I’d love to see it legalised – I think there’s also a case to be made for legalising all drugs, but perhaps that’s a discussion for another day!

        • Anonymous User (no longer active) 16th July 2021 at 12:01 am

          Yes we better start with cannabis first 🙂

    • Deleted User 15th July 2021 at 5:27 pm

      Without going into FOI or ONS sites specifically, a lot of the figures seem to put Drink & Drug driving together, but some of the Police programmes on TV seem to infer that Drug Driving incidents are rising more than drink driving.

    • Deleted User 15th July 2021 at 11:26 pm

      The therapeutic use of marijuana is a bit of a clue. If we all had access to it to treat our many ailments, from MS to cancer, how much would that hurt the profits of Big Pharma? And how much would it undermine the medical establishment?

    • Deleted User 16th July 2021 at 8:38 am

      I think legalising growing a small amount for your own use would be a good idea…..

      • Deleted User 16th July 2021 at 9:09 am

        So much would have to change. At present a high level of licencing is required to grow it, and big companies are growing a lot of it in the UK. The chances of individuals getting licences to grow anything but low-THC strains are slim. Even if you are growing low-THC strains with a lower level of licencing, you are not allowed to extract CBD from it. The Home Office and the MHRA (effectively Big Pharma’s lever on the government) have it all sewn up.

    • tammybrown 1st November 2021 at 9:59 pm

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    • Brighton Belle 1st November 2021 at 11:39 pm

      No too many” cracked heads””about…..

    • Chojo 2nd November 2021 at 6:39 am

      I don’t think it will make much difference if it’s legal. The government will no doubt tax it at the same rates as cigarettes so it will be so expensive I think most users will still get it from illegal sources anyway. I do think it should be legalised for medical use though. Personally I don’t use it but if I did I’m exempt from prescription charge so I’d get it for free😀

    • Shirlann 2nd November 2021 at 6:39 am

      Thought it was already 🤔smell it everywhere round our area !

    • Staying Alive 2nd November 2021 at 7:26 am

      If it is regulated it still wouldn’t make a difference it’s already out there happening right under our very noses smell it the problem is what else are you smoking apart from your weed too much other stuff mixed in it’s what’s making it dangerous and you wont know. It’s where it’s coming from and how it’s controlled everybody makes some money out of this

    • Englishman 2nd November 2021 at 1:53 pm

      No. Just no.

    • SteveInWales 2nd November 2021 at 3:11 pm

      My son smokes cannabis and has done so for years. Partly for recreational use but also partly for medicinal purposes. He is a chef and suffers from arthritis in his hands, and very often the prescribed medicine doesn’t help him enough, but the cannabis does. Maybe he would be better off trying CBT but that wasn’t available to him for years. My 2nd point is that I can smell cannabis just about everywhere! The street where I live, along the canal path and even by my local McDonalds where sometimes the cannabis smell is stronger than the burger & fries smell. With cannabis being used so widely, and the police not having enough resources to do anything about it, cannabis might as well be made legal.

    • Daisychain 2nd November 2021 at 8:35 pm

      I’d be much happier if it wasn’t skunk. Bring back cannabis resin made from the non hybridised plants. It’s gentler and gives a much better feeling. The modern stuff is just too strong without the laughs. Resin in chocolate cake used to be the best.

      It doesn’t necessarily lead on to taking hard drugs but can be a good replacement for alcohol. My parents would have been better off with cannabis than becoming alcoholics. Some years ago there was a government sponsored report suggesting that alcohol was more addictive than heroin.

      I think it should be legalised. As someone upthread suggested it would be taxed but providing that tax was less than the black market rate everyone would win.

    • clahantar 23rd November 2021 at 5:38 pm

      Yes. I think the same. Now products with cannabioids are used to treat various diseases, but it is incredibly difficult to get permission for it. I had a lingering depression and after 3 years of treatment, my doctor decided to try using cannabis for treatment. I ordered everything I needed on https://kosherblends.com/ and it really helped me. But it took a very long time to get the right to use it, and when you’re sick and you have severe depression, it’s too difficult. Therefore, I would be happy to legalize cannabioids.

    • Pennypitstop 24th November 2021 at 9:04 am

      I do think it causes a lot of problems, People use it far too young and far too much, it does make people lazy, and I know plenty of people who are addicted and get very angsty and worked up when they haven’t got any.
      If folks could use recreationally like just on their night off etc it wouldn’t be too bad. Also the world would be a lot calmer if it replaced alcohol , howmany fights do you hear about that are caused by smoking cannabis. It is still very bad for your lungs too especially as a filter is not used.
      Not saying ban alcohol but it is too cheap and too strong. Back in the 70s 80s alcohol was a treat, we didn’t drink at home often and the pubs closed at 11.
      Like you Shirlann I get sick of the smell of weed its everywhere, even in my back garden from neighbours smoking it. !.
      If it was legalised it wouldn’t stop the drug barrens selling i I think they would still sell it and undercut the legal supply, just like the cheap ciggies that people sell.

    • Pennypitstop 24th November 2021 at 9:09 am

      Oh yes and how hypocritical are the government…..we can’t easily access it for medicinal use but we grow and export loads of it. Mrs May,s husband owns a cannabis farm ( for medicinal cannabis). Or maybe he sells spliffs in Westminster LOL